Sunday, October 9, 2011

My thoughts on Urdu/Hindi: An artificial divide

Author's note: This post is still under completion.

An interesting Pakistani author (possibly of Indian origin from his writing) by the name of Abdul Jamil Khan has written a book called "Urdu-Hindi: an artificial divide" which has gained plenty of popularity amongst Indians.
As people know, anything about Pakistan that is dismissed as "Indian" or even linked as "Indian" gains popularity very fast in India or anything from a different South Asian country which is thrown under the "Indian" label causes joy amongst Indians, especially the expansionist ones.

I haven't read the book, save for a few pages from the first chapter, so I cannot comment on the entire book. However, everywhere I search this book on the internet, I read the same description of the points he makes in his book:
• Hindi evolved not from Aryan Sanskrit but from Pre-Aryan Dravidian and Austric-Munda rooted in Middle-East/Mesopotamia;
• Hindi’s script evolved from Aramaic system of writing similar to Greek;
• Urdu has not evolved as an offshoot of a prototype Indo-European language but it has its roots in Mesopotamian and Sumerian civilization;
• The ‘myth’ of Indo-European family of languages was created by Germans to satisfy their own theory of a superior German/Aryan race;
• Ancient Africa served as the melting pot of languages.

I'd like to give my personal views on each point of his hypothesis (however crazy it may sound) based on all the knowledge I have on the subject of linguistics which I'm well read on.

*On his first point regarding Hindi being of non-Indo-European origins, I cannot personally counter that claim since I am no qualified linguist, however based on the knowledge I have so far, I can see no evidence to this claim.
Linguists classify Hindi & Urdu as Indo-European languages because of their grammatical structure which counts more than anything else.
Both these languages display the use of gender like most Indo-European languages and are non-agglutinative, which means they do not represent actions or ideas in shortened suffixes (and prefixes in the case of certain agglutinative languages).

Mr Jamil Khan's hypothesis uses hardly any grammatical evidence, but instead simply what appears to be loanwords, borrowed consonants particularly from Dravidian languages.

He also mentions Hindi & Urdu being Subject-Object-Verb (SOV) languages, which is a trait common to most Indo-European languages.
This only goes against his claims of trying to link the two languages to Mesopotamian or Dravidian languages, which are definitely agglutinative, not SOV.

I agree with his 1.3 classification section regarding myths surrounding languages, however what he seems to be doing is no different, except by pushing in a different direction of his own.

Since he hardly uses any grammatical evidence, his theory has really has no basis.

*The claim that Hindi has it's script borrowed from Aramaic is possible according to many, since many Alphabets worldwide seem to be based on scripture used in the middle east, such as the Phoenician writing system.
However, Mr Jamil Khan is not the first to claim this.

*The author claims the Indo-European (IE) hypothesis was started of in Nazi Germany. This is an outright lie.
Hitler's belief of the Aryan race was promoted during the rise of the Nazi party in the early 19th century, whereas the IE family was proposed as early as the 18th century.
The first proposal for the existence of a common Indo-European was by Sir William Jones

Mr Jamil Khan then touches on Sir Willaim Jones's proposal, which contradicts his later statements of Nazi Germany having been the founder of Pan-Aryan nationalism.



*On ancient Africa being the 'melting pot' of languages, there's mistakes and truths on that. Firstly Africa is a diverse place when it comes to languages. Various, unrelated language families there exist as is for most continents of the world save for maybe Europe which is almost entirely Indo-European speaking.

'Melting pot' usually means cultures and races coming together and combining into new races and cultures. I do not know what the author means in this context. If he means many languages breeding into single languages, that is not always possible. Languages that are not genetically related unless they have corresponding structures which are entirely coincidental.

Outside of these points, I'd like to draw on is the other bias/inaccuracy/serious flaw I see in his material that I've read so far:
-The claim of Urdu & Hindi being the 'natural' common language of the subcontinent and Dividing Hindustani somehow divided the populations. Never in the recorded history of the subcontinent was there a single language people spoke. Even today India is so diverse linguistically (Pakistan too, but to a much lesser degree), so dividing a single language such as Hindustani into Urdu and Hindi can hardly have an impact on the majority of the people since neither Hindi nor Urdu was their first language.

The use of both languages as common forms of communication around Afghanistan, Pakistan, India, other parts of South Asia and parts of the Arabian/Persian Gulf region is a recent practice.
At no time before the Eighteenth century was Urdu used in the region of Pakistan or other parts of South Asia as a lingua Franca.

In short how can you use one or two commonly used languages to represent the people of an entire diverse region?

The Europeans previously used French to reach a common level of understanding one another a few centuries back and now they use English. Can either one or both of these languages be used to represent Europeans on linguistic, cultural or racial grounds as a whole?

As stated before, I read the first few pages of his book here .
A small note to add is that the overuse of Hindi in India and Urdu/Undri in Pakistan as a common language has caused rebellion in the past and still does. When I write overuse, I mean to say that these two languages are being enforced on those who do not speak it as a first language, at the expanse of their native languages.
So using these two or any two languages to represent a diverse region as the subcontinent cannot be taken seriously.

-More pro-Indian bias can be seen at his mention of the mythical "partition of India" already disproven here.

-The author mentions Aramaic to be the "mother" of Arabic, which no other linguist to my knowledge claims. According to linguistic knowledge, Aramaic is a cousin to Arabic, both being derived from a Proto-Semitic language. Refer to the chart below:


-His claim for Semitic & Persian influences on Urdu/Undri being 'ingredients' of the language further discredits his hypothesis on linguistic lines, since borrowed words in a language are not included in it's structural study in the process of it's classification.
More so, borrowed words are a frequent occurrence in almost every language known. Urdu or any other language can randomly borrow words from related or unrelated languages to enhance it's vocabulary; provided there is no grammar conflict with the language and the foreign/alien word it is borrowing.
That being said, all the Arabic words in Urdu are borrowed free of conflict with Urdu's Indo-European grammar and can easily be replaced with words from almost any other language family, again, provided there is no grammar conflict.

Examples are Turkish and Farsi borrowing from Arabic. Plenty of Arabic loanwords can be found in both these languages.
Yet they are considered unrelated because their grammatical structures differ. Farsi belongs to the Indo-European family (like Hindi & Urdu) as Arabic belongs to the Afro-Asiatic family, as Turkish belongs to the Altaic family.

And yet no one who screams of Urdu/Undri being a "mixed language" seems to take this into consideration.
By the logic of the author the modern English language has roots in Japan and he middle east because of loanwords like 'tycoon' from Japanese or 'bazaar' from Arabic.

-The claim that only about 7-10% of Urdu's vocabulary is derived from Sanskrit is irrelevant, since linguistics does not allow classification of languages based on their vocabulary, but rather the grammar they are laid out in.
Not only that, but such kind of classification as done by Jamil Khan, goes completely against the rules of the scientific study of languages themselves.

Languages with common sounding words are proposed relatives, but if you don't have corresponding grammar, the words are accepted as borrowed and/or coincidental. Languages with similar grammar, but lacking common root words and having distinct geography are regarded as having coincidental similarities; hence unrelated to each other.

Other observations that I find in his book which are interesting but hardly credible. In his first chapter where the author tries to 'prove' a Mesopotamian origin for Urdu & Hindi, he also tries to draw what seems to be genetic similarities between Indo-European, Afro-Asiatic, Altaic, Uralic & Dravidian.
Possible genetic similarities between these language families have been proposed by linguists before, which has led to the Nostratic theory .

If there is any credibility in this theory, it still won't prove Mr Khan's claims of Urdu & Hindi's "Dravidian, Mesopotamian roots", but rather a possible common origin between Dravidian & Indo-European languages alongside Semitic, which is a part of the Afro-Asiatic language family:


Below is a basic chart of the proposed Nostratic family:

16 comments:

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  2. Robert Lindsay Jan 11, 2010 12:18 AM

    Good post. One argument of his I agree with is that Hindi's script came from Aramaic. Possibly, but almost every alphabet on Earth goes back to these Middle Eastern alphabets (even Korean!) so that's not a very impressive claim.

    I also don't agree with that Nostratic above. My Nostratic would be

    Altaic
    Uralic
    Yukaghir
    Eskimo-Aleut - Chukutko-Kamchadal
    Indo-European

    That's it!

    I believe that Kartvelian, Afroasiatic and Dravidian are some sort of sister languages to Nostratic as a whole, not a part of Nostratic proper.

    This guy is just another whacked out Indian nationalist Hindutva kook. This line that IE is a lie invented by evil White Europeans to crush the Great Indian People is one of their petty fetishes. They are such idiots!

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  3. AbdulJan 23, 2010 08:36 PM

    MISLEADING COMMENTS;
    I am surprised for a detailed comments even without reading the book ( as confessed); will point out few errors:1) never claimed the Africa as melting pot;man and language arose in africa and MESOPOTAMIA
    was the melting pot of indo-euro-arabian languages/culture.2)urdu's SOV syntax is dravidian and Indo-european is usally SVO;you are dead wrong.3) grammer features are discussed in deatails in ch 2 and 17 besides elsewhere;You perhaps dont know that
    ind0-european has no " specific grammer" nor semitic group; curent classifiaction is based on shared words or coagnates;4)Never said any where that Indo-european was created in NAZI germany; HOw could you make such a gross error ?;really surprised.
    Readers should know that language group were created based on NOAH's 3 sons-- Shem
    fathering semitic,Japhet Aryan-indo-european and Ham african;This is biblical myth not history ;accepted by all; The book discredits
    this ethno-religious racism and gives a new history based on evolution and neolithic farmers of mideast. I can only request you to read the book and then make another comment. You do appear to be well informed about language classification but not the basis for it; this was biblical creationism now discarded. There is nothing new in the book except some research work put togather to free up readers form racism. THANKS FOR YOUR COMMENTS.
    Dr Abdul Jamil Khan
    author
    urdu/hindi an artificial divide.

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  4. shairali_lovearabicAug 4, 2010 01:35 AM

    Blessing be upon U dear.
    I am doing Ph.D in Comparative Linguistics ( Arabic and Sanskrit) i need arguments to prove link of phonetic and grammatical link of Arabic grammarians and Panini .
    If U have some informations or U know some useful books or u send me some links where i find books and information that will be big virtue with me .
    Thank U
    Shair Ali Khan
    Ph.D Student, Dept. Arabic Linguistics
    Islamic Internationl University Islamabad Pakistan,
    Email; shairali40@yahoo.com

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  5. Abdul Aug 13, 2010 03:52 PM

    Dear Shair ali khan sahab,
    Congratulations for doing some thing worthwhile.There is genetic likage between oldest Arabic ( called Akkadian, assyrian, aramaic etc)and Sanskrit.As you will note in my book Akkadian absorbed many sumerian words and grew keeping its Inflected grammer intact.Inreal history of the area Arabs ( assyrians) had contrlled persia/elamites and Pakistan west of Sindh river.So indian language and culture is a regional variation of " mideastern-mesopptamian" civilization as elaborated in my book reviewd in the article.As you know Out of africa and Mideast farmers are basic roots of europe/India/arab culture system( collin renfrew --ref in my book).Thus indian languages really came from mideast and Sanskrit seems a direct derivative from oldest arabic.Panini happens to be a fiction and unreal ( T brows). A book by Dr Malati Shingde is a must for you. The language of Harrapan; from Akkadian to Sanskrit provides the best evidence of sanskrit evolving from Akkadian and sumerian. It is availbale on amazon.
    You perhaps know that modern language groups are based on Bilical racism; Semitic, indo-european etc helps to provide legitmacy to "supersemites" and land grab. Please note a new classification by merrit ruhlen and also by me in my last chapter.
    Best of luck . Be happy to help you in any way.

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  6. Pakistani Aug 13, 2010 04:13 PM

    Dear Mr Adbul, though my post is not yet complete and will not be for quite some time, you need to know that Assyrians and Arabs are not the same. I am amazed at your classification of languages and ethnic groups. It's almost as if you are unsure of what you are discussing.

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  7. AbdulAug 13, 2010 08:03 PM

    Dear Sir
    I dont believe in Semitic,aryan, hametic racism and the classification based on this has lost all relevance except for ethno-religious politicians. Out of africa is the state of art in linguistics. I am pretty sure abt my approach. Biblical racism was simply a political delusions to seek benefits. My classification is not perfect but it unburdens the biblical racism.
    If you follow Sumerians on ward you see akkadian linguistic group using an inflected language which molds gradually into assyrian, aramaic all inflected. Languges evolved as mono syllabic vocal after gentic mutation ( speach gene fox p2-- see google).

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  8. Pakistani Aug 14, 2010 04:20 PM

    With all due respect sir, what of all the haplogroups collected through Y and mtDNA samples that classify different races of humans? Is that racism too? Is the different scientific classification of different breeds of dogs racism too?
    Is the spread of haplogroup R and spread of IE languages coincidental? Race is a scientific reality accept it or deny it.

    What words you choose to classify different races is your own choice, but to deny differences amongst humans is only self-denial towards reality.

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  9. AbdulAug 14, 2010 07:15 PM

    I entirely agree with you that the idea of racism is important and relevant.But language and race linkage is extremely hard to define and politicise.This is a race distribution based on scienctific evidence but to feel arrogant and proud of it is " racsim". This is what i am against. But the Biblical racism and liguistic division based on it is entirely different. It was a fraud of " semitic" racist for land grab and used as a weapon of Neocrusadism to finish off ottomans and moghal empire;You perhaps have reviewd my book. Discoveries of mesopotamia and egypt clearly documents this fraud of biblical editors. As a student of science we know languages evolved. They were not created as biblical editors make you believe.Thus linguistics had served as weapon of Judeo-christian racism/creationism.
    Even with Dna studies you cannot classify human into water tight classess with their languages. Table of Merrit Ruhlen and my own work is not perfect. Big problem is languages change and also people adopt other languages.It is very fluid. Look at us indo-pakistanis in US. Our 2nd generation will not know Urdu. Blacks of US know only english. This interchangablity itself has been quite old.Languistics thus is extremely soft science and racism associated with it is pure politics. Semitic and aryan racism are greatest example. Semites claim divinely given real state Israel and Aryan sueriority became synonymous with " holocaust".Hope you will not ignore these hard realities.

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  10. Pakistani Aug 14, 2010 11:20 PM

    I agree to an extent, but disagree. DNA has given us different types of haplogroups and skull structures have been classified, so different races do exist, weather we like it or not. I also agree on the idea of languages being created as bogus. Languages (except in some cases of isolates) come into being from common proto-languages. To say it is racist to classify Urdu as IE seems absurd. The Indo-European migrations have been proven to happen, it is only in India where these findings are rejected and thus anything non-acceptable in India is dubbed as "racist" or a "white supremacist" this is clearly not the case. The high frequency of haplogroup R1A1 (Y-chromosome) in East European countries, South Central Asia combined with close linguistic affinities of Balto-Slavic languages to Indo-Iranic ones is proof of common origin. There is nothing 'racist' about the Kurgan hypothesis.

    What you seem to be claiming appears to be an advocate of the Nostratic hypothesis. Though I did not believe in this theory due to the selective comparisons of various language families simply to Indo-European, Mr Robert Lindsay (my friend), a masters degree in linguistics disagrees with me.

    When you refer to Semites are you referring to Jews? As for 'Indo-Pakistanis' we are no more Indo-Pakistanis than we are Sino-Pakistanis. Never forget that the name India came into being for the subcontinent thanks to BRITISH RULE. It was the Brits who introduced this name! To advocate this labeling of "Indian subcontinent" is advocating British stereotypes.

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  11. Pakistani Aug 14, 2010 11:21 PM

    I agree to an extent, but disagree. DNA has given us different types of haplogroups and skull structures have been classified, so different races do exist, weather we like it or not. I also agree on the idea of languages being created as bogus. Languages (except in some cases of isolates) come into being from common proto-languages. To say it is racist to classify Urdu as IE seems absurd. The Indo-European migrations have been proven to happen, it is only in India where these findings are rejected and thus anything non-acceptable in India is dubbed as "racist" or a "white supremacist" this is clearly not the case. The high frequency of haplogroup R1A1 (Y-chromosome) in East European countries, South Central Asia combined with close linguistic affinities of Balto-Slavic languages to Indo-Iranic ones is proof of common origin. There is nothing 'racist' about the Kurgan hypothesis.

    What you seem to be claiming appears to be an advocate of the Nostratic hypothesis. Though I did not believe in this theory due to the selective comparisons of various language families simply to Indo-European, Mr Robert Lindsay (my friend), a masters degree in linguistics disagrees with me.

    When you refer to Semites are you referring to Jews? As for 'Indo-Pakistanis' we are no more Indo-Pakistanis than we are Sino-Pakistanis. Never forget that the name India came into being for the subcontinent thanks to BRITISH RULE. It was the Brits who introduced this name! To advocate this labeling of "Indian subcontinent" is advocating British stereotypes.

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  12. Abdul Aug 15, 2010 07:41 PM

    Dear Mr Pakistani,
    You seem to be apologetic for Bilical 3 race theory that is bound up with I-E and semitic language theory. Must note the time line. This was established firstby 1860s and hindu were taken in as Indo- euro-aryan brothers.But by 1900 the egyptian and mesopotamian discoveries had created a panic and cricis becuase Biblical races and prophets were declared non historic phantoms . Since then linguistic groups are fiercely defended by the judeo-christian church/establishment(see my ch 17). Out of africa is the last nail in biblical race coffin. But religious nationalists/ethno philiacs continue to defend bible and its 3 races of Noah; There are no aryan and semites or hamites of Biblical divine creation.
    Yes there are indentifiable races due to climatic variations but not fixed to language as elaborated in my book. Impact of climate on human deferenciation is well known. Ibn khuldun ( 14th cent) had focussed on this and rejected Noah's blacks as pure fraud; NOw you perhaps dont know that skull shapes have been discredited long time ago and also aryan/semitic race theory by the academia. But defendending biblical 3 races is best acomplished by " academic linguistics"; That is a priestly fraud for a students of sciece likes of this author. Kindly read my book with an open mind and you will note the truth some day.

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  13. Dear Mr Abdul, my post seems to be attacking you and I apologize for that. I will change it. What I wish to attack is not you, but rather your ideas. Skull distinction is broken into mainly Caucasoid, Mongoloid, Negroid and Australoid. It does not necessarily mean people of each skull are 'related' but rather have common features.
    The semites have not been categorized as a 'race' due to Semitic languages being spoken by a huge number of non-semites ((ie North Africans). Language makes a huge confusion due to many races speaking different language from their ancestors. I hope you like my other post in defense of urdu

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  14. Abdul Aug 17, 2010 10:32 AM

    Dear Sir,
    You perhaps have a blind faith in "semites,Japhites(aryans)hamites"from Biblical noah.And you seems un settled by the book's idea. Dear sir, man and languages evolved from Africa. They gradually evolved after genetic mutation of speech gene chromosome #7. From a monosyllabic words as Noted in sumerians they got complicated slowly.When committed to wrting abt 6000 yrs ago it was already late. I dont see any Biblical races or associated languages, hebrew, sanskrit, etc. If that does not make sense to you please stick to your biblical creationism and races;It remains a great idea even in 21st cent.

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  15. Pakistani Aug 18, 2010 07:01 AM

    ha ha ha. I have not read the Bible nor do it's ideas move me. When you differentiate between peoples and languages (even if related) you have to come up with a name. If you don't like Semite or Aryan, you can come up with your own names or random numbers like Santa Claus or Peter Pan :-)

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  16. Abdul Aug 18, 2010 07:55 PM

    Dear Pakistani sahab,
    Please see proposed names in chapter 17 in the new classification in my book.You need to do some basic reading abt history as proposed by biblical editors. That is the key to understand the racism and linguistics.

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